My name is James Murray, my dad Edward Murray grew up in Govan. Resources were stretched as detectives dealt with high levels of violence including murder - much of it drug related. Wine Alley was in a part of Govan which is "pretty much gone now but it was notorious," he described. My mother Josaphine Devlin and her brother Greg were born Drumoyan Street Govan. During my first year studying sociology I came across Damer again in the form of a book that he had written about poverty and deprivation in the Wine Alley but put it to the back of my mind. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. HP10 9TY. 6 Markus, 1993, p. 163 He also had a shop in Govan Road and he lived at 31 (I think) Copland Road, his name was Robert Reid and he had 2 daughters, Jane my mother and her sister Molly who lived for years in Merryland Street before it was pulled down. Although we were all poor, I knew that I could go to any door, ask for a piece, and get it. I was born in 1952 and lived in Golspie Street until I was 10 when we moved to Garthamlock. approached in flavour to wine. Does anyone remember Cuthbertson's dairies milk depot Vicarfield street Govan. . Of all the memories that I hold dear as a very young boy, was the guy pushing a barrow every Saturday afternoon selling bags of whelks! Clyde News. I used to walk up Neptune Street between the two grandparents homes, but even that seems to have been cut off. Glasgow Braendam Link is a Company Limited by Guarantee, Registered in Scotland, No. Memories of our workers are Nancy, Margret-Anne and various others, oh and not forgetting Speedy. 110m Govan Road Campus . Situated south of the River Clyde and part of the former Burgh of Govan, it was colloquially referred to as 'Wine Alley' during the mid-to-late 20th century when a housing scheme with a rough reputation was sited there. He said: "I found myself in charge of one of the hardest areas within Strathclyde, if not Scotland. Somewhere along the Govan Road, there was a sweet shop with a train set that would go around all the big jars of sweets. 14 Riverside Changes, 2005, p. 1 Hi Catherine, I also lived at 100 Harmony Row and also live in Canada. I worked in Fairfields in the seventies, does anyone remember the name of the bike shop at the Linthouse end beside the roundabout. 8/1. We went this year to the Fairfield shipyard museum which was very interesting. I stayed at 146 Copland Road above the Light Blue Cafe went to Ibrox primary School 1941 till 1948 happy times. I lived in Kintra Street from 1946 until 1960 and went to Broomloan Road school then Govan High. I lived in Elderpark Street and the Wine Alley. Looking at Govan when it was a village, and film of how it grew into a town, we felt very proud of being born and raised in dear auld Govan. When they married on the 29/4/1939 they moved to Hillington. Servicii comunitare. However, the documents do not ask why so many people with poor health or low educational qualifications happen to be in the same areas in the first place! This is a 12th-century Latin source, but one believed to be based on much earlier materials; it records a place near Dumbarton Rock named Ouania. Would love to hear from you. Town officials arranged for the deepening of the Clyde in 1759, the reclamation of the channels between the islands (The Whyte Inch, The Black Inch, and The King's Inch), and the construction of quays and docks. It was great reading all the stories. JEFF TORRINGTON Singing: No, No, Yuppie, Yuppie NO! 100m D.C Hair&Beauty . he had come to live in Wine Alley to see for himself why it seemed to be such a horrible place to outsiders. If you have a complaint about the editorial content which relates to Our children and grandchildren have been back many times as well. He said be a good girl, I don't want to see you when you're 17 causing problems. Teraz nie. For Margaret Gibson - I saw that you lived in Kintra Street until 1960 and wondered if you knew my grandmother Mary McGill/Johnston who lived at 110 Kintra Street in 1956. Directions to Wine Alley Govan (Glasgow) with public transport The following transport lines have routes that pass near Wine Alley Govan Bus : 121 23 26 X19 Train : SCOTRAIL Light rail : SUB How to get to Wine Alley Govan by Bus? Historically it was part of the County of Lanark. We had some chalk on us and we wrote on the outside of the lovely red tiles on the wall. It brought tears to our eyes as they have destroyed a lot of the buildings that should have been refurbished. Every Christmas I was given a big pile of unsold comics and one day the woman gave me a bob - 12 big penny coins that filled my hand. Especially in the Scottish context, given the important role that they have played in community planning. We sold puppies, kittens, mice, fish and I promise you, they were cleaned and cared for with the tenderest of love and care, and caution was exerted when people tried to buy them. The owner later came in with home-made tablet for all of us. and education and learning came into my thoughts. (was it Grant's????? The two men, working for up to 18 hours at a time, had to be smuggled out before dawn each day. Lived there all the way through the 70's until we moved to Cardonald in 1980. They expect 20 calls a week from officers needing help. I had to leave early as I was going to a residential orchestral camp but I was so heartbroken at the shop closing, I didn't want to miss a moment of that last day. He stayed in Nethen Street and was born in 1931. Socialites Karrueche Tran, left, and Christina Milian attend the Los Angeles premiere of Fox's 'Empire' at ArcLight Cinemas Cinerama Dome on January 6, 2015 in Hollywood, California. Through the ages people have lived in houses, building them according to the climate, topography, the material available, and the social and cultural ideas of the time. I too, have fond memories of playing and performing small shows, and we all thought we could act. Anyone remember the prego cafe and who ran it? [5][6] Along with being physically hemmed in by factories and a railway branch line, and issues which were shared by other 'rehousing' developments of the time - namely low-quality building materials, few amenities and socio-economic difficulties associated with the demise of local industries (particularly shipbuilding in the case of Govan) - this label gave Moorepark a stigma as one of the city's most notorious 'schemes'.[7][8]. Somehow the government cannot understand that external improvements can only benefit any dilapidated area by not only improving its external image but also by giving the local residents a sense of Well-Being. Lots of memories of that area. When I got married I moved to Arden, I now live in Clarkston in the South of Glasgow. On the other hand, a government that takes no heed of the community at large fails also. Damer (who lived for six months in the scheme) wanted to find out how and why such places came to exist, and what could be done to help them. Community organisation. Lots of memories too many to say here. I'm sure many of these places will have been demolished or renamed but it would be great to hear from anyone who knows of the family or can provide any more details. I am researching my family tree and as both my grandparents died in 1990 and 1993 respectively I can't ask them. However, in 1989 the same area was one of the most crime-ridden and deprived in Scotland. USA. Naw, he was told, but we have a wee boy in the back. This work was focused on parent-child. We do not pre-moderate or monitor readers comments appearing on our websites, but we do post-moderate in response to complaints we receive or otherwise when a potential problem comes to our attention. My maternal grandmother Mary Agnes McDermott and her family came to Govan from Ireland in the early 1900's. In sum, effective participatory urban management calls for a fundamental rethink from all the players involved, from the local authorities and development agencies, through local (and sometimes international) non-governmental organisations, to the community-based organisations themselve; in redefining their roles and relationships, if something is to be done for the benefit of all. Went to Drumoyne primary then Govan High. Yet, there is still much to show that community power is not only real but can work effectively. Govan is served by Govan Subway Station, Ibrox Subway Station and Cessnock Subway Station on the Glasgow subway system. That is why this Reflection will critically examine the Moorepark experience (within the context of community planning) from before Darners time to the 1970s and the present, where it will question if there have been any real changes in attitudes between then and today or worse, are the same mistakes being repeated, and is proven good work being ignored? The evidence they gathered was crucial and the jury was able to see the gang operating on the video footage shown to them. 125m Harley's ice cream parlour . Govan covers a huge part of Glasgow's Southside and is famous the world over for its ship building and football team. It was later in 1974 that she began her Stairhead Seminars in the so-called "Wine Alley" area of Govan which led, in 1976, to the Govan Project. This was the catalyst that led local Govanites into despising the peoph of Moorepark, and considering them as different and alien. Again, as happened in Moorepark in the mid 1970s, selective letting policies resulted in the housing of people who suffered not only from economic deprivation but had many related social problems of drink, drugs, and petty theft. So, at the age of 46 I started three years of studies with projects that involved Govan Initiative and Glasgow University until I was finally accepted as a full-time student at Glasgow. Alley & Vine. It was very hard during the war for our mother as our brother was three years older and our father was a shipyard worker, working nightshift. Thus, Damer saw that this decision of loading more of the socially deprived into an existing deprived area, only added to Mooreparks growing problems of joblessness, poverty, depression, drunkenness and crime. And I went to see Grease at The Liceum on Govan Road. Next thing I know, this policeman appeared, he looked like a giant and he asked me what was I doing. My granny Flora McFadyen was one of the oldest and longest residents in the Wine Alley. In recent years it has seen major improvements with the building of Glasgow Science Centre and the Glasgow Arc, better known as the Squinty Bridge. My da was George Paterson, mum was Betty Paterson my child hood there was brill everyone was so friendly and you could trust everybody. Lived in Georgia where our second daughter was born, and then onto Texas, and now living in California. Glorious Govan. Used go there for coffee and listen to juke box. Wine Alley, the newest wine tasting experience to open at Woodin Creek Village in Woodinville, WA, debuted with a ribbon cutting ceremony and grand opening event on February 18, 2022. My mother and grandfather raised me alongside my two sisters and three brothers and various in-laws who moved in and out of the home through the years. Our first daughter was born in 1962, and then when she was six months old, we went to Toronto, Canada. The Version table provides details related to the release that this issue/RFE will be addressed. It was regarded at the time as perhaps the worst slum in Britain, and the people who lived there were treated like vermin by the authorities whom we treated likewise. There was a milk depot (Cuthbertson's Dairy) at the bottom of the street where we used to go and if we were lucky they would let us feed the horses, those were the days, how I loved going to the Plaza every Saturday morning to the ABC minors and when it was our birthday we got to go up on the stage and everyone sang to us. Skater Girl. I was born 1951 in 57 Nethan St. In June 2004 the Scottish Parliaments Public Petition Committee heard presentations from Govan Community Council about the failure of local regeneration policies in housing, poverty and unemployment. Govan is served by community radio station Sunny Govan, broadcasting on 103.5FM to the city of Glasgow and surrounding districts, discussing local issues and providing advice, and with diverse musical output covering soul, hip-hop and reggae. Houses are places to live in, either for one person or several. Police Scotland. Next thing, I found myself lying on the ground. Went to St. Gerards School from January 1959 to December 1962. This settlement was set aside on 20 December 1621, and only the patronage of Govan was left to the University. In 1973 SNP won a by-election with Margo MacDonald as their candidate. I attended Harmony Row School and Hills Trust Primary. We offer great benefits for wine merchants, hotels and restaurants offering your wines. 124m D.C Hair&Beauty . It was a Magical childhood play area, the closestairs were a Pirate Ship; Hospital; Wee Shop; School, aye in the 1950's we used our imagination rather than computers to stop us being bored! During fortnight surveillance in February 1989, they discovered that the same gang member had hired his biggest car yet. "And so for the time being I have finished this series (4th book comming this year) what an amazing book I especially loved the mention of the wine alley in govan as that's where my mama is from! 4 Markus, 1993, p. 161 Contact. Situated south of the River Clyde and part of the former Burgh of Govan, it was colloquially referred to as 'Wine Alley' during the mid-to-late 20th century when a housing scheme with a rough reputation was sited there. The following year, Fairfields and the other major Clydeside yards (Stephens, Connels, Yarrows and John Browns) were merged to form Upper Clyde Shipbuilders (UCS). My gran was Ella Campbell who lived in Greenfield Street during the 50s and 60 s. As a result, it proved very simple for them to track the gang movements on a day-to-day basis. They also discovered in the early days that one gang member was driving about in hired cars. We love it here, but still go back to Scotland every other year. The plan was to video and record any deals as they happened - a tricky and dangerous proposition. The Old Govan Fair. One flat was chosen in Wine Alley and a second across the road in a collection of tower blocks called Iona Court. A big gang of kids would all go to the pictures on Saturday afternoon and one kid would pay to get in and then would go round to the fire escape door and open it and let the rest of the kids in for free. Govan railway station opened on 2 December 1868. [19] It was removed in the early 19th century and Reid's Dyeworks was erected on the site. Bishop Leslie in his Scotia Descriptio of 1578 says it got its name from the excellence of its ale (God-win), whereas Chalmers in his Caledonia says it is derived from Scottish Gaelic, Gamhan (a ditch). I worked there for a time early 60s I left in 1962. Zobrazi viac od Sunny Govan Memories na Facebooku. The following year in 1966, the yard was again reorganised as Fairfields and guaranteed by the government in response. My grandparents lived opposite and I remember being sent down to McGunness for an ounce of tobacco for my grand dads pipe. Reid was a prominent union leader whose successful 'work in' at the Upper Clyde Shipbuilders in 1971 stopped government attempts to close the yards. My father was called up at the beginning of the War and my mother died when he was in Europe, I went to live with my grandparents on Wee Logie Street, I was 2years old and spent the rest of my childhood there until 1956 when I came to Canada with my grandmother to live with my uncle (my mum's young brother). I remember a little dog who was hit by a car and people brought him straight in to us. In recent years it has seen major improvements with the building of Glasgow Science Centre and the Glasgow Arc, better known as the Squinty Bridge. 123m New Cafe India Govan . The Govan ferry was something special for us to go on, either by ourselves or with our mum. I went to St Gerard's and I loved the kids there they were poor but happy. Would love to hear if anyone remembers the Wallace family! Ther were many menswear shops such as Jackson the Tailor and John Collier. Darners second criticism was that the Tenants Association in the scheme had no local leadership or community say over who came into the scheme. I'll do a bit of investigating. Readers comments: You are personally liable for the content of any comments you upload to this website, so please act responsibly. However, the local paper still remained hostile, hypocritical, and unhelpful about the whole idea. I remember my mum and dad and telling me how Govan was full of works, tenements, shops and pubs and how it was a vibrant place, this was very different from 1970s Govan that I grew up in, instead it was like a town after the blitz, I remember large areas of spare ground where the tenements and shops once stood, I remember playing in the old derelict tenements and works and in the rubble of demolished tenements, in the old tenements in Orkney Street we pretended to pour pints in the old Albert Bar. Government organisation. The most famous of these housing estates is Moorepark, sometimes referred to jocularly as "The Wine Alley"[22] - this area was named by The Independent newspaper in April 1994 as one of the worst areas in Britain, with drug abuse being a widespread problem and unemployment standing at nearly 30% (up to three times the national average at the time). Vezi mai multe de la Sunny Govan Memories pe Facebook. Add your own memories or stories by clicking here. Used to have a friend called Theresa Moody who died quite young. When we moved to Nitshill in 1060, I realised how much I had loved Govan. There was another pub next door, The Bellrock. Now home to a business park, the Wineywas a working class scheme designed by urban planners with little to no regard for those cut from the labouring class cloth. Not a penny in our pockets other than the price of admission to the pictures on a Saturday afternoon and some extra for some sweeties, I remember my grandmother used to give Helen my sweetie coupons from the back of the Ration Book, as she had such a sweet tooth that she would have ate her way through February and March coupons even though it was only January and stores knew we were still going to be rationed for some time to come (I didn't have a sweet tooth so always had coupons to spare). We left Govan when I was two, then lived for five years in Markinch before moving on to Kelty, Cowdenbeath, Armadale, and Rushden down in England.